Old Library

Just within the past week, I bought a/d/s/ speakers and amp!

My speakers are 336is, list about $650 per pair. They're two-piece
components with active crossovers.
My amp is P640 (6 channel, 40W per channel) also list about $650.

By creative haggling, you should be able to get about 25% off from 
dealers, but you may have to shop around.  The first dealer I went
to was unwilling to budge at all!

I guess they were bought up by Orion, and are leaving Massachusetts
(probably right about now)
for Arizona.



Bruce



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> Subject: 	Speaker help for GTI-VR6 (MB Quart questions!)
> 
> Hello!
> 
> I'm looking to buy a speaker set for a 1995 GTI-
> I think I've found the set that I'd like to buy-  an MB Quart 328.20
> 3-way set made spec. for the golf III.
> 
> The thing is, it's hard to get a straight deal on the price of these
> items-  my friend told me there's a few of you that already have these
> speakers installed..
> 
> Could you please tell me where you bought them, and what the going
> price
> for them is?  It's quite hard to deal for them when you have no base
> to
> work from!
> 
> Also, could anyone with any info on where to get a deal on ADS
> amplifiers, please let me know where the good deals are too!  
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> -Dave 
> (beginning to think buying stereo stuff is like buying a car)
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Dave A. wrote:
> 
> Hello!
> 
> I'm looking to buy a speaker set for a 1995 GTI-
> I think I've found the set that I'd like to buy-  an MB Quart 328.20
> 
First thing i would highly recommend you NOT buying MB quarts, they are
way overpriced and sound worse than speakers costing half their price. 
Their tweeters use a titanium dome which means that all of your music
will sound like it was recorded in a tin can. They sell a suspossed set
made for a Golf, well i have news for you they are no different than any
other speaker, any speaker could fit perfectly in the stock locations if
you buy the correct size.  Personally i would recomend speakers that
have a soft dome tweeter, preferable silk.  In general they are much
warmer sounding than any hard dome. Such good brands would be Dynaudio,
Oz cs series, Polk DB's or anything along those lines.

> Could you please tell me where you bought them, and what the going price
> for them is?  It's quite hard to deal for them when you have no base to
> work from!
Please do not buy audio equipment through mail order (only places like
Crutchfield and a few other places are safe).  While mail order is
generally cheaper, many times you will run into problems, such as them
selling brands that they are NOT authorized to sell (which means if
anything happens to it you are stuck and besides the fact that it is
illegal), some other places run some other scams like charging excessive
shipping charges (for example the shop i work at has sent a 12" sub
weighing about 10 pounds or more and it only cost like $4 shipping from
NJ to Kentucky), and yet other places will sell "refurbished" items
either claiming they are new or misrepresenting these items (which means
that these items have been defective and have already been sent back to
be repaired)
> 
> Also, could anyone with any info on where to get a deal on ADS
> amplifiers, please let me know where the good deals are too!

ADS used to make some real nice amps and seperates, but they were
recently bought out by Orion, and i am skeptical about their products
now, due to the problems i have seen with certain orion products.
 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> -Dave
> (beginning to think buying stereo stuff is like buying a car)
It is worse than buying a car, there are many more options and upgrades
to do to an audio system.  I have been working on car audio systems for
years and everyday i come up with a way to make it sound better.  
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	> Oh BoOooBBBBffd
 ( Bryan Wrote)First thing I would highly recommend you NOT buying MB
quarts, they are way overpriced and sound worse than speakers costing
half their price.  Their tweeters use a titanium dome which means that
all of your music will sound like it was recorded in a tin can. They
sell a supposed set made for a Golf, well I have news for you they are
no different than any other speaker, any speaker could fit perfectly in
the stock locations if you buy the correct size.  Personally I would
recommend speakers that have a soft dome tweeter, preferable silk.  In
general they are much warmer sounding than any hard dome. Such good
brands would be Dynaudio, Oz cs series, Polk DB's or anything along
those lines------------
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Oh boy here we go another  my speakers are better than yours thread,
well first off  Brian if MB Quart suck so bad why do they always win at
IASCA? Because they are best fucking speakers ever made!! They rock on =
a
level above and beyond any car audio speaker I've ever heard ( and a =
lot
of home systems as well) It's a pain in the ass to fit a 6 =BD in the
doors of a A3 but the Quarts are a DROP IN 6 =BD

 Most of the time you have to settle for a 5 =BC  because of the =
basket.
The Quarts just work period=20
And  they should at a suggested retail of $599.00 you get what you pay
for. David FYI list on the A3 set
 Is $350 bucks - Good luck and buy the Quarts

Dean

92 Corrado

MB Quarts/Alpine/kicker


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> well first off  Brian if MB Quart suck so bad why do they always win at
> IASCA? Because they are best fucking speakers ever made!! They rock on a
> level above and beyond any car audio speaker I've ever heard ( and a lot
> of home systems as well) It's a pain in the ass to fit a 6 ½ in the
> doors of a A3 but the Quarts are a DROP IN 6 ½

>First off Dean they do NOT win at Iasca anymore, that was several years ago. WHen was the last time you have been to the Iasca finals?  Well i have been there for the last couple years and very few people are using quarts anymore.  They have become popular a while back since they were one of the first "high end" automotive seperates.  If you have been attending any of the IASCA finals or even the key events you would see that in the last few years there has been a major swing away from hard dome tweeters for cars competing in SQ or even SQ+.  If the quarts are truly the best automotive speaker you have ever heard i truly feel sorry for you, because you are missing out on the many other brands out there.  I hope you dont take this as condesending, but i am trying to inform you of the changes that have occured.  Have you ever been in the JL audio Austin Mini, Earl Zausmers BMW, or the Dynaudio BMW? well i have and those are some of the best cars that i have ever heard and they !
!
!
have been proven to be some of the top sounding cars anywhere.  My friends and I can spot a car using quarts from a several feet away, they all share the very tinny characteristic.  THe judges have also start judging more critically on the fact if the music sounds the way it was recorded and not harsher like the quarts will tend to be.  I know you think i am ragging on quarts because i dont have them, but i have used them in my old car to do a comparison test between quarts, jl audio, nakamichi and polk db's, (all being 5.24" seperates with their respective passive x-overs).  I would sit in and close my eyes and try to truly analyze each set of speakers.  I even had my friend throw them in at random and had my eyes closed a second time and could pic out the mb quarts right away, only because they were not as realistic sounding (but they do reproduce techno type music well).  I have used most every kind of speaker in my car at one time or another and have made some observations!
!
!
 over the time and I still feel that a hard dome tweeter is not g

oing to reproduce music as accurately.  Sure some of this is opinion and my own personal beliefs, but i have tried to make unbiased decisions about many of the products i have used in my car.  This is just my $.02 but i can show you the rta of a car using a hard dome and you can see the hump around 18khz ;)

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Bryan Holt      97' Jetta GLX 

System: Oz, AudioControl, Hifonics, Clarion.

Mods: Neuspeed Sofsports, Bilstein HD's,
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I have the MB Quart 328.20 set up front  (paid $425) and an MB Quart 2 way
set 218.03 in the rear deck of my GLX.
I have used MB's for years and love them.  Yes they do use hard dome
tweeter and in COMPARISON to soft dome tweeters they are a little
harsher,,, but that dosen't mean that they don't sound clear, clean and
tight.  Both Polk and MB Q's are HIGH quality speakers, both get great
write-up's, both win contests -- and as with any audio equipment the buyer
should base his decision on what his ears tell him !!!!  You dont choose a
car just by looking at it's figures --drive it!!!

NOT all speakers will fit in the stock locations - with the stock grilles -
the MB's (and some others?) have the right mounting depth and hole spacing
for a quick and painless install.


Jim

96 GLX
MB Quart
Rockford
JL Audio




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Hello!
I'm looking to buy a speaker set for a 1995 GTI-
I think I've found the set that I'd like to buy-  an MB Quart 328.20
3-way set made spec. for the golf III.
The thing is, it's hard to get a straight deal on the price of these
items-  my friend told me there's a few of you that already have these
speakers installed..
Could you please tell me where you bought them, and what the going price
for them is?  It's quite hard to deal for them when you have no base to
work from!
Also, could anyone with any info on where to get a deal on ADS
amplifiers, please let me know where the good deals are too!
Thanks in advance!
-Dave
(beginning to think buying stereo stuff is like buying a car)
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OH yea -- and for the 3 way front set I use their Competition x-over..
sound is much improved over the ones that come with the set

jim


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> Just within the past week, I bought a/d/s/ speakers and amp!

Boy for $400 less on the speakers you could have bought MB-Quart
speakers, and used the rest of the money on a PPI or X-TANT amplifier.
You would have got a real good system that wold not only look and sound
great, but would win competitions.

For even greater sound go with the 3 way system featuring a 6.5" woofer
4" mid and tweeter.  Or buy the competition x-overs for the 2-ways. 
Since MB-Quart swithed to a poly-urethane woofer & rubber surrounds last
year over the paper they used to, use sound quality has vastly improved

P.S. sorry for the total lack of VW content.
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In a message dated 97-11-10 23:45:53 EST, &#98;holt&#64;rvcc.raritanval<img src=/i/de.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>

<< Their tweeters use a titanium dome which means that
 all of your music will sound like it was recorded in a tin can. They
 sell a supposed set made for a Golf, well I have news for you they are
 no different than any other speaker, any speaker could fit perfectly in
 the stock locations if you buy the correct size.  Personally I would
 recommend speakers that have a soft dome tweeter, preferable silk.  In
 general they are much warmer sounding than any hard dome. Such good
 brands would be Dynaudio, Oz cs series, Polk DB's or anything along
 those lines------------ >>

That is the most ubsurd thing I've read in a while. The material the driver
is made of has very little to do with the sound of a speaker. Yes cheap metal
dome speakers sound tizzy, but cheap silk or cloth dome speakers sound rolled
off and distant. The crucial factor is the quality of the construction of the
drivers, how well they are matched, and how seamlessly the crossover divides
the frequencies. In addition to building their own home and auto speakers, MB
Quart is a major manufacturer of drivers for other brands of speakers. MB
Quart tweeters are found in many high end  home speakers some that sell in
excess of $10K a pair. To say that beacause Quart speakers didn't win best
sound this year they suck is idiotic. They may no longer be the best speaker
out there, but they are not far from the top of the pile. Since there have
been no major technological breakthroughs in loudspeaker design in the last
10 years, a speaker that was the best 2 or three years ago is still one of
the best and the ones that are better are only incrementallly so.

Jim
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Hey Gang...

First of all let me preface my comments that speakers and sound are
subjective areas of taste... there is no absolute... if you want to
build a competition car, find out what the judges like, don't build a
car that only you like!  AudioDesigns (the shop I pledge allegiance
with) down here in Houston just toted an Impala SS (Earl Wills' car) to
IASCA finals and brought back two 1st place trophies in SQ and SQ+ in
the highly competitive Pro 601+... that car doesn't run tweeters at
all... 6 - Image Dynamic speakers: two CD-2 Horn Loaded Compression
Drivers, two 8" Midbass, and two custom built 18"s  thats it... I have
the same setup in my car, but with 6"s instead of 8s and only 1 12"
sub... and one/tenth the true power! hehe...

I have spoken with the gentlemen at MB Quart and they recommend the
coaxial speakers upfront, keeping the tweeter close to the the midbass
driver mounted in the door... turn off the dash and the rear speakers...
and run a sub or two... thats it... don't waste your money on their 3
way component system... there are much better speakers for the same
money that kill the Quarts when you get over $500... Image Dynamics,
Focal... to name a few... eliminate the rear speakers... rear fill went
out with DuranDuran... and kill the tweeters in the dash, b/c imaging is
horrible and your eyes/ears will thank you for it...

I have done a ton of homework and spent 11 years enjoying good sounding
sound systems in cars... once i hooked up with Audio Designs, I realized
I didn't know shit about good sound... I entered my first sound
competition two weeks ago in Dallas/Plano and took first in SQ - Novice
301-600... knowing that my audio was installed and designed by
AudioDesigns, they through the toughest judges at me to get a real taste
of what Amateur IASCA based competition was all about... it was a good
learning experience and I plan on continuing on at least until next
year's IASCA finals in Dallas...  Hopefully I will continue getting
points and will be invited to compete and show the world that VWs are
fun cars to install killer sound systems in... Check out my website for
latest info... http://www.flash.net/~rktjohn

>>----->>
John Nassar
AKA RocketJohn
97 GTI 8v
slightly modified
with minor tweaks to the stereo

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Buyine speakers is more of a personal taste than that certain brands suck
(this is not always the case though-  spark-o-matics do suck as so some
other cheap names ;-) )  Personally, I like the sound of Boston Acoustics,
though others think they are too "bright."  I haven't heard MB Quarts, so
I can't comment on their sound, but for $350-$400 a pair they'd better
sound damn good to you!  There are plenty of speakers that cost less and
sound great too and are still a good name (ADS, Boston, Infinity)
Usually, a titanium dome is harsher- but again I don't know.  I couldn't tell 
much of a difference between the Bostons and ADS last time I went in to
look at speakers- they sounded very much alike.  If you're worried about
the size, don't be.  The GTI (and all A3 VWs for that matter) come with a
6 1/2 in the doors and back seat. $350-$400 is a lot for any speaker.
You'd better like it for the $$$ you paid for it- kinda like the Schrick!

Bryan Schmidt
95 Black GTI VR6

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i am posting an email reply from MB Quart this past summer, when I was
seeking out info about VW systems and their equipment... also, before i
realized i was going to go absolutely insane into car audio again! hehe
------------------------
Tech Support,
>i have a 1997 VW GTI 2-door and have the stock premium sound system.  I 
>noticed that you make replacement speakers for this application.  Do you 
>recommend replacing the stock radio/head unit with a better system, or is 
>the stock unit fine for driving your replacement/upgrade speakers?  
>Basically trying to get a feel for the best/usable setup for my car without 
>spending loads of money...
>
>thanks
>
>>>----->>
>John Nassar
>Financial Analyst
>NA Finance / COMPAQ 
>w 281/514-6695
>f 281/514-4076


Hello John:

Thank you for the inquiry. In general, the head units included as
standard
equipment in
most vehicles have steadily improved over the last 5 years to the point
that
the gap has narrowed between aftermarket and OEM. This is predominant at
the
entry point to mid level in head units. After that as you get into the
high
end offerings, the gap gets very wide and it would be difficult to
address
high end needs with a factory head unit.

Not the case with loudspeakers. While head units have improved, the
included
loudspeakers tend to appeal to the widest audience with no or little
expectation as to what high quality sound is. As far as an upgrade path
goes
for you I would break it down into steps. Each step provides an
improvement
not addressed by the previous.

(1) Replace front loudspeakers. Usually a 2-way coaxial or component
system
will address any need you have in this area. It is better to but a
better
quality system initially, even if it is more than you think you will
need.
This type of purchase will stay with you and not be outgrown or upgraded
away from later on. All MB QUART loudspeakers carry a 3-year warranty if
dealer installed. Two great candidates for this would be either the 2216
CX
system from our Autobahn line, or the 218.03 CX system from our Referenz
line. Both aur manufactured in our factory in Germany.

(2) Add a subwoofer with dedicated amplifier. The easiest way to
implement
this is to disconnect the rear loudspeakers and use the highlevel
outputs to
drive the subwoofer amplifier. This gives you the added benefit of being
able to use your front/rear fader control as a subwoofer/satellite level
adjustment.

The subwoofer necessary for a small cockpit like the GTi would not be
more
than a single 200mm (8.00") or 250mm (10.00"). MB QUART has just
introduced
the SBR series of subwoofers optimized for small sealed enclosures. The
200mm version requires 0.50 cubic feet, the 250mm 0.75 cubic feet! Not
much
intrusion on the cargo carrying capability.

The dedicated amplifier porion can be handled 2 ways: Either 2 channel
amplifier bridge to 1 channel to drive the subwoofer / least expensive,
or a
4 channel amplifier used in 3 channel mode. The bridge channel pair
drives
the subwoofer, and the remaining 2 channels drive the front satellites.
While this is more expensive, it will result in a much better performing
system overall.

(3)  Replace the head unit with an improved offering. I would look at
one
with preamp outputs to directly feed your amplifier. I would also look
at CD
units only for best fidelity.

I hope the above gives you the information you need. If you have any
additional questions, please drop me another e.mail. Please send your
address and I will send you our brochure which has more comprehensive
information regarding the above items.

Take care,

Leif Blackmon
Sr. Mgr., Marketing
MB QUART, North America



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I have MB Quart QM 218.03 CX's in the front that I paid $400 for at
Myer-Emco in Rockville, Maryland. I also have an amplified Bazooka in
the rear. ( only after spicy  Thai food) My amp is  an Alpine #3527s
which is 25w*4. It sounds very good but if I were to do it over again I
would get a better, more powerful amplifier. Just thought I'd add some
more useless drivel. 																				Adam
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In a message dated 97-11-12 05:18:30 EST, &#74;ohn.Nassar&#64;COMPAQ<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15> writes:

<< I have spoken with the gentlemen at MB Quart and they recommend the
 coaxial speakers upfront, keeping the tweeter close to the the midbass
 driver mounted in the door... turn off the dash and the rear speakers...
 and run a sub or two... thats it... don't waste your money on their 3
 way component system... there are much better speakers for the same
 money that kill the Quarts when you get over $500... Image Dynamics,
 Focal... to name a few... eliminate the rear speakers... rear fill went
 out with DuranDuran... and kill the tweeters in the dash, b/c imaging is
 horrible and your eyes/ears will thank you for it...
  >>

The MB Quart Coax will not fit in the doors using the factory grills. Use the
separates and mount the tweeters close to the woofer in the doors.

Jim
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I'm looking to install some good front door speakers. 

I DO NOT want to start another discussion on what speaker is better than
another (like the MB Quart war a few weeks ago), I just want to find out
what speakers will fit. 

The only ones that I know that fit so far:
MB Quart 328.20
Pioneer TS-1620II

What else? 

The GTI has a very shallow mounting depth, something like 2 and  5/16" (if
I remember correctly from my Crutchfield catalog). I want a drop in
speaker, in other words I don't want to do heavy modifications. I'm not
looking to spend ungodly amounts of money either, but would be willing to
go up to $300 or so.

Any help would be appreciated...

-phil
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In a message dated 12/7/97 11:02:05 AM, &#111;ye&#64;maya<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15> wrote:

>'m looking to install some good front door speakers. 
>
>I DO NOT want to start another discussion on what speaker is better than
>another (like the MB Quart war a few weeks ago), I just want to find out
>what speakers will fit. 
>
>The only ones that I know that fit so far:
>MB Quart 328.20
>Pioneer TS-1620II
>
>What else? 

Well, i've got Boston Acoustic Pro Series 5.4 separates in my front.  They do
fit with just a minor bit of modification.  I originally attempted the 6"
series, but they ended up being slightly too large, so I opted for the smaller
5.4".   Believe it or not, the 5.4's sound better than the 6's!!  I-)

However, they run in the neighborhood of $400 a pair.....

The sound is unmatched, tho, IMHO....

Andrew
96 1/2 Black GTI VR6
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Tom and Teecy Matthews wrote:

> FYI, the box houses a single JL 12" sub in a sealed enclosure. see it
> at: http://stealthbox.jlaudio.com/jetta.html

Check out the one for the intrepid.  That kicks monkey ass...

 http://stealthbox.jlaudio.com/intrepid.html

Alfonso.

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I am very pleased with the performance of the jl 12w6.I dont have any
dynamat in my car but my friend works at a car stereo shop and he says
that the stuff is good. There are different kinds though.
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Just a note for those who want an easy and cheap upgrade to the rear tiny
tweeters  in the doors/panels: the Pioneer TST11 fits right in--just remove
the originals, cut the old clips off and cement the TST in the hole: an exact
fit!
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