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re:[gti-vr6] underdrive pulley gkoliopoulos@molex Thu, 7 May 1998 13:50:19 -0500
[gti-vr6] Re: underdrive pully info from maker AWE16VR6 <AWE16VR6@aol> Fri, 8 May 1998 19:55:01 EDT
[gti-vr6] underdrive pully info from maker VeeAreSix <VeeAreSix@aol> Fri, 8 May 1998 12:05:04 EDT
Re: [gti-vr6] Unorthodox Racing Pulleys U1arunit@aol Mon, 1 Mar 1999 12:12:14 EST
[gti-vr6] This topic is becoming a Parasitic Drag: Unorthodox Racing Pulleys "Peter Fellingham" <pfellingham@rgi> Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:15:24 -0800
[gti-vr6] Re: This topic is becoming a Parasitic Drag: Unorthodox Racing Pulleys U1arunit@aol Mon, 1 Mar 1999 17:13:34 EST
[gti-vr6] This topic is becoming a Parasitic Drag: Unorthodox Racing Pulleys "Peter Fellingham" <pfellingham@rgi> Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:19:19 -0800
Re: [gti-vr6] Unorthodox Racing Pulleys "Russell" <gshock@linkline> Sun, 28 Feb 1999 17:11:26 -0800
[gti-vr6] Underdrive Pulleys/harmonic balancer concern... "Russell Chee" <gshock@linkline> Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:43:06 PST
Re: [gti-vr6] Re:unorthodox pulleys Judson Main <judson@btg> Fri, 07 Jan 2000 10:57:14 -0500
[gti-vr6] Re: unorthodox pulleys AWE16VR6@aol Fri, 7 Jan 2000 11:48:37 EST
[gti-vr6] underdriving your accessories myth clearing "Michael Kaczmar" <kaczmar@tir> Sat, 29 Jan 2000 14:45:28 -0500
Re: [gti-vr6] FW: '98 GTI-VR6 3-Piece Pulley Kit (Crank, Alt., & P/S) Sean Carr <soupaflie@yahoo> Tue, 11 Feb 2003 05:11:58 -0800 (PST)
Re: [gti-vr6] FW: '98 GTI-VR6 3-Piece Pulley Kit (Crank, Alt., & P/S) "SDriver" <sdriver@rogers> Tue, 11 Feb 2003 08:59:27 -0500
Re: [gti-vr6] FW: '98 GTI-VR6 3-Piece Pulley Kit (Crank, Alt., & P/S) "SDriver" <sdriver@rogers> Tue, 11 Feb 2003 09:03:58 -0500



From gti-vr6-owner@dev.tivoli Thu May 7 14:06 CDT 1998
From: gkoliopoulos@molex
To: gti-vr6@dev.tivoli
Subject: re:[gti-vr6] underdrive pulley
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 13:50:19 -0500
 

Hi Josh,

Good call!  I helped a friend upgrade the pulleys on his Cobra. This was an easy
and cheap upgrade.  Hopefully those guys at Unorthodox Racing will have some
dyno results for our cars.  I checked out their web-site and it seems that the
pulley should be available, they have a release date of April 98.  Any other
opinions???

Gary 
97 GTI VR6 Black/Black



From gti-vr6-owner@dev.tivoli Fri May 8 18:55 CDT 1998
From: AWE16VR6 <AWE16VR6@aol>
To: gti-vr6@dev.tivoli
Subject: [gti-vr6] Re: underdrive pully info from maker
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 19:55:01 EDT
 
<<Ouch. Seems pricey.

Can Todd or anyone else confirm it's necessary to pull the engine to
install?>>

Hey Josh,
Accessories can be changed on the VR6 by undoing mounts and downpipe to cat,
then lifting up on the engine.  Alternator can be squeezed out with
disassembly of some airpump tubing and slight rise of engine.  Water pump
requires nice 6" raise on passenger side to clear frame rail.  A/C
compressor.... is a plain bitch to do.  However, I doubt they will supply a
compressor pulley, as it is integral with the clutch mechanism.  So, crank,
power steering, water pump, an alternator pulleys can all be done with engine
in car, just lifted a bit.

I'm going home now...
Todd
Air & Water
VW Tuning




From gti-vr6-owner@dev.tivoli Fri May 8 11:05 CDT 1998
From: VeeAreSix <VeeAreSix@aol>
To: gti-vr6@dev.tivoli
Subject: [gti-vr6] underdrive pully info from maker
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 12:05:04 EDT
 
Hey guys, I emailed them at unorthodox racing about the pulley set and this is
thier reply.
Doug
SPEED

We are still finalizing the specifications on that set, it should be available
by
early summer. The set is tentatively priced at $399.00 for 4 pulleys.

Thank you for your interest,
Unorthodox Racing



From gti-vr6-owner@cobra.ccsi Mon Mar 1 11:32 CST 1999
From: U1arunit@aol
To: Mr645@aol, gti-vr6@cobra.ccsi
Subject: Re: [gti-vr6] Unorthodox Racing Pulleys
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 12:12:14 EST
 
In a message dated 3/1/99 12:57:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, &#77;r645&#64;aol<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>
writes:

> Because the alt pully is also being changed, you will keep the alt spinning 
> at
>  close to stock RPM.
>  
>  Jon

Jon,
    Is the alternator pulley changed to a smaller unit then? (Meaning it would
spin faster) This would be the only way that the rpm of the alternator would
be close to the same. 

March Performance, makers of a complete line of underdrive pulley sets, have
what they call the "Power and Amp" series of pulley kits that are designed for
just such reason. You get the underdrive crank pully(smaller) a larger water
pump pulley to slow it down some and a smaller alternator pulley to maintain
the same rpm as stock. Last time I checked they didn't offer a kit for the VW
though.

Mark Herrly
Pittsburgh, PA                       
7/96 Black GTI VR6      
You wanna run it..?? 
http://members.aol.com/u1arunit/marksgti.htm



From gti-vr6-owner@cobra.ccsi Mon Mar 1 15:21 CST 1999
From: "Peter Fellingham" <pfellingham@rgi>
To: U1arunit@aol, gti-vr6@cobra.ccsi
Subject: [gti-vr6] This topic is becoming a Parasitic Drag: Unorthodox Racing Pulleys
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:15:24 -0800
 
The water pump's load increases with the square of its rotational speed
because it is a centrifugal pump.  Therefore its power consumption rises
more steeply than engine speed.  That said, by causing the water pump to run
more slowly than stock you are pumping less water, thereby attenuating your
engine cooling in extremis when you need it most - a definite warranty killer.

I would not call the power the human heart uses to pump your blood around a
parasitic loss; neither is the power used by the water pump or alternator.
Why don't you loose the power steering?  If unnecessary power consumption
offends you, pluck it out.

Instead of trying to reduce the average power consumed by the ancillaries,
why not remove a significant part of it temporarily when you need all the
power available to move the car, as in wide open acceleration?  This can be
done by making a switch that uncouples your alternator electrically at WOT,
the way some cars switch out their aircon?  I hope that none of you boy
racers out there race with your aircon running...

Peter

&#85;1arunit&#64;aol<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15> wrote:
>Actually we thought about how a alternator places a demand on an engine and
>all things being equal, it is going do be just as hard to turn whether it has
>a small or large pulley on it since the load is being 'set' by the amperage
>draw and not just parasitic drag. I hope I am describing this theory
>correctly...
>
>In other words, the waterpump doesn't have a variable load. It sees the same
>drag at all times, unlike the alt which sometimes has a heavy load(like at
>night in the rain with the wipers, blower motor, rear-defog, headlights,
>etc... running) and other times does not.
>



From gti-vr6-owner@cobra.ccsi Mon Mar 1 16:34 CST 1999
From: U1arunit@aol
To: pfellingham@rgi, gti-vr6@cobra.ccsi
Subject: [gti-vr6] Re: This topic is becoming a Parasitic Drag: Unorthodox Racing Pulleys
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 17:13:34 EST
 
In a message dated 3/1/99 4:18:12 PM Eastern Standard Time,
&#112;fellingham&#64;rgi<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15> writes:

> Instead of trying to reduce the average power consumed by the ancillaries,
>  why not remove a significant part of it temporarily when you need all the
>  power available to move the car, as in wide open acceleration?  This can be
>  done by making a switch that uncouples your alternator electrically at WOT,
>  the way some cars switch out their aircon?  I hope that none of you boy
>  racers out there race with your aircon running...
>  

Peter,
     Am I correct in assuming that a car with distributor-less ignition like
the GTI VR6 needs all the electrical power it can produce under WOT?? Seemed
like this 'trick' is done by alot of drag racers for some time, but only for
limited track use. I thought our cars have a WOT a/c cut-out switch..?

I have used the underdrive pulleys on other cars with very accurate mechanical
guages(Autometer/VDO) and haven't experienced any rise in the coolant temp as
you mentioned. Maybe the GTI is different..? 

I want to know the answers to alot of questions about the pulley kit which
noone has yet to answer. Looks like it would be worth it if there are less
negative things than positive. Like *no* coolant temperature increase, *no*
charging system deficiency and at least 5-7HP improvement documented. Then I
could justify the 2-3 hours work and $395. This could be worth more bang for
the buck than an exhaust *if* it works as claimed!

What do you guys think..?

Mark Herrly
Pittsburgh, PA                       
7/96 Black GTI VR6      
You wanna run it..?? 
http://members.aol.com/u1arunit/marksgti.htm



From gti-vr6-owner@cobra.ccsi Mon Mar 1 17:26 CST 1999
From: "Peter Fellingham" <pfellingham@rgi>
To: U1arunit@aol, gti-vr6@cobra.ccsi
Subject: [gti-vr6] This topic is becoming a Parasitic Drag: Unorthodox Racing Pulleys
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:19:19 -0800
 
Mark Herrly said:
> Am I correct in assuming that a car with distributor-less ignition like
>the GTI VR6 needs all the electrical power it can produce under WOT??
[snip] 

The ignition system may be high voltage, but the total collective spark time
is so short that the actual power is very low, so a fully charged battery
can easily handle it.  Obviously, if you run your lights and don't charge
the battery it will go flat on you.  What percentage of your driving is at WOT?

>I thought our cars have a WOT a/c cut-out switch..?

My '96 has one, me.  Other than that, I seems to notice the extra drag with
it on and kill it if I am planning to do any serious acceleration.  Any one
know if the GTi has such a switch stock?

>I have used the underdrive pulleys on other cars with very accurate mechanical
>guages(Autometer/VDO) and haven't experienced any rise in the coolant temp as
>you mentioned. Maybe the GTI is different..?

Underdrive pulleys are not guaranteed to overheat your engine; however, the
greater the reduced losses, the closer you get to insufficient cooling.  I
am not prepared to find out how much VW have overdesigned coolant flow to
compensate for the gradual loss of heat transfer efficiency that results
from corrosion and deposits with time...

Peter



From gshock@linkline Mon Mar 1 18:58 CST 1999
From: "Russell" <gshock@linkline>
To: "Clayton" <clayton@wa.freei>, <gti-vr6@cobra.ccsi>
Subject: Re: [gti-vr6] Unorthodox Racing Pulleys
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 17:11:26 -0800
Cc: <aqn@dev.tivoli>
 

According to the manufacturer, the under drive pulleys are designed to stay
with in VW voltage and cooling specs.  They also stated that a majority of
the hp gains are in the weight loss of the pulleys and not from being under
driven. Like I said before the packaging weight is 2 lbs for three pulleys.
I will be weighing the stock pulleys for the actual difference, but from
what I've "heard" there is about an 8 pound weight reduction in changing
these three pulleys.   I will keep you all posted on the installation and
dyno test.

Russell
http://www.supremepower.com/gshock.html





From gshock@linkline Thu Mar 25 08:43:06 PST 1999
From: "Russell Chee" <gshock@linkline>
To: gti-vr6@dev.tivoli
Subject: [gti-vr6] Underdrive Pulleys/harmonic balancer concern...
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:43:06 PST
 
I've had a few people asking about harmonic balancing....


> snip 
> >Any noticeable increase in vibration? The factory crank pulley is of a 
> damper design. 
> >Doug 
> >SPEED 
> snip 
> 
> "Isn't my crank/eccentric pulley a harmonic/torsional or vibrational damper 
> ?" 
> 
> The factory pulleys on today's late model cars (from 1986 to Present and 
> sometimes even earlier depending on the vehicle) serve two functions. First 
> and most importantly they are designed to reduce or eliminate the audile 
> noises herd in the cabin of the car that the accessories (alternator, air 
> conditioning, power steering and air pump) make when the engine is running. 
> This fact exhibits the factory fanaticism about making the car quiet for the 
> occupants, it has nothing to do with engine function or longevity. 
> 
> The second function of late model crank pulleys is torsional damping. 
> Torsional damping is necessary due to the excessive diameter and weight of 
> the factory crank pulleys. The design of our underdrive crank pulleys 
> eliminates the need for any torsional damping for two reasons. One, the 
> diameter of our crank pulleys is smaller than the original designs, in 
> almost all cases smaller even than the rubber torsional ring, therefore 
> effectively reducing the force the accessories have on the crankshaft. 
> Second and most importantly is that our pulleys are significantly lighter 
> than their OEM counterparts (anywhere from 3 to 11 lbs.). This weight loss 
> dramatically reduces the stress exerted upon the rotating assembly by the 
> excessively heavy factory crank pulley. 
> 
> Lastly is the misconception that the crank pulleys on these vehicles are 
> harmonic dampers. A harmonic damper is a unit bolted to the crankshaft snout 
> that is completely separate from the belt drive system. An engine that uses 
> a harmonic damper has the accessory drive crank pulley bolted to it, they 
> wholly are separate pieces that are attached to each other. Balance shafts, 
> which are used by several manufacturers, are specifically designed to 
> eliminate harmonic vibrations. None of the vehicles we manufacture pulleys 
> for have harmonic dampers. It is important for owners who have engines that 
> use balance shafts to understand that if they eliminate their balance shafts 
> they must have their engines balanced to 0 grams if they plan to purchase or 
> continue to use our crank pulleys . 
> 
> Our pulleys are very close to perfectly balanced as 6061 is a very 
> consistent material and the CNC machining process ensures that are pulleys 
> are perfectly true. This balance shaft elimination is rare and only happens 
> on a few models that are modified for racing only 
> (Eclipse/Talon/Laser/Galant VR4/Conquest TSI/Starion just to name a few). 
> 
> * i cut and pasted this from the Unorthodox Racing FAQ page. 
> 
> Russell 
> http://www.supremepower.com/gshock.html 




From judson@btg Fri Jan 07 10:57:14 -0500 2000
From: Judson Main <judson@btg>
To: gti-vr6@dev.tivoli
Subject: Re: [gti-vr6] Re:unorthodox pulleys
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 10:57:14 -0500
 
To be honest, I've seen the dynos, and they honestly report a little
more than a couple-three horsepower and some torque out of them (they 
go on soon).  However, out of five people that responded, four said
they got the advertised 3-4 mpg increase.  So even if I only end up
with a real 2 mpg increase, these things pay for themselves in three
years.  And everyone said that throttle response was quicker, which,
with my Velocity lightened flywheel, will help my turbo response (when
that gets done and installed) immensely.

Jud.




From AWE16VR6@aol Fri Jan 7 11:48:37 EST 2000
From: AWE16VR6@aol
To: gti-vr6@dev.tivoli
Subject: [gti-vr6] Re: unorthodox pulleys
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 11:48:37 EST
 
As an FYI, you may want to do some more research on who has installed these 
pullies *and* the lightened flywheel, Jud.  
Underdrive pullies are a common mod for the BMW crowd, and a number of owners 
ended up with cracked crankshafts after installing the pulley and lightened 
flywheel.  General consensus is that one can do either, or, but not both.  
The loss of dampening on both ends of the crank is the problem here.

[...] 14 lines deleted

Regards,
Todd
AWE Tuning
215-753-8203
Orderline 888-565-2257
http://www.awe-tuning.com




From kaczmar@tir Sat Jan 29 14:45:28 -0500 2000
From: "Michael Kaczmar" <kaczmar@tir>
To: gti-vr6@dev.tivoli
Subject: [gti-vr6] underdriving your accessories myth clearing
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 14:45:28 -0500
 
For the most part, accessory loads can have a dramatic effect on engine
performance. Based on some test and analysis that GM has done, the simple
removal of mechanical driven power steering pumps can affect the fuel
economy by as much as 1 mpg. Keep in mind that this is completely removing
it and using an electric power assist servo. The energy required to drive a
slightly larger alternator is significantly less than the mechanical
hydraulic pump. Fuel economy can be affected by accessory load, but often it
is a big trade-off.

After talking with a driving instructor that has a totally built VR6
Corrado, I do not recommend slowing the water pump at all. If you live in
hot climates, or drive under heavy loads (extended performance driving on a
track, or favorite canyon road/backroad romping) you are putting serious
strain on the cooling system. This guy, who had cams, worked intake
manifold, chip etc. had seen oil temps pushing 310 degrees. It was enough
for him to roast two engines. His oil was not keeping up. The primary reason
stems from the fact that the front 3 exhaust runners go through the head to
the manifold, adding considerable heat to the aluminum head. He did see
lower temps after he had the runners ceramic coated to keep the heat in the
runners, but he stuill saw elevated temps.

By slowing the water pump, you are reducing the amount of heat that the
cooling system can draw away from the engine, and put even greater strain on
the already taxed oil system. Keep in mind that oil is a coolant AND a
lubricant. It just doesn't lubricate to well the hotter it gets. Synthetic
oil helps, but is far from a complete cure.

Underdrive pulleys always have these trade offs. When you start adding power
to the car, you are also putting a higher load on the cooling system. In
fact, radiators are sized based on the the horspower rating of the engine.
Therefore, if you have increased the output of the engine significantly, say
25 HP, you are looking at nearly a 15% increase in output. Slowing the water
pump by installing underdrive pulleys may reduce the accessories by
typically 10%. Now it is hard to say that a 10% reduction in water pump
rpm=10% loss in cooling capacity, but there is a marked decrease in the
cooling systems capacity. Put that together with an engine that has had its
output increased, on a design that already has a small margin for excess
cooling capacity, and you may be looking at potential trouble.

As far as increases in rotational masses, it is a very weak theory. Compared
to the rotational inertia of the long block, the inertia of a couple of
pulleys is relatively insignificant. The lighter pulleys will not affect the
power output, though it may have a small, very small affect on throttle
response. It is nothing compared to a lightened flywheel.

When you consider balancing/harmonic damping, lighter pulleys would not
affect it greatly. However if the stock pulleys had some counterweighting,
and the flywheel was not properly counterweighted after lightening or the
pullys were spun eccentric, then you may have a problem with damaging the
crank. This was a debate on the 90-92 Miatas. Many owners encountered
cracked cranks after their first timing belt change. Almost all of them were
traced back to improper crank sprocket installation/a design that did not
make improper installation obvious. For an I-6 engine as the BMWs use,
external balancing is not necessary, as the crank configuration leads the
engine to have no first or second order vibrations other than those of
production variances. I would be surprised if there was any counterweight on
the flywheel to balance the engine. If any, they would be very small. I-6's
are the smoothest engine to have as far as harmonics.

Another example of the effect of water pump speed reduction is on my street
rod. Since I dropped in a complete 5.0 motor, including the serpentine belt
drive system, I installed a set of UD pulleys. I saw a marked reduction in
cooling capacity, even with a 3" - 4 row radiator and no hood (long story).
The radiator was the same one as what a firend had in his 650HP super
modified roundy round car, and with the UD pulleys, a humid 90 degree day in
Detroit would have me watching the gauges. I had one 225 degree spurt, but
that was after running down the highway at 90, and having to slow for
traffic. A couple of minutes of light load driving, coupled with the
electric cooling fan, and I had kept from really boiling over......that and
a 22# rad cap ;-)
I will probably put the stock pulleys back on, actually I installed them in
the middle of summer after the retaining nut on the alternator backed off,
roaching the alt. drive pulley. That and since I had no hood the red
anodized pulleys did look good in in front of the polished aluminum
alternator, p/s pump and brackets..... next time I have to be sure I torque
that alternator nut back down after I polish a housing....

Anyway, it is just my $0.02 ($2.00 Canadian :). Flame away if you think you
need to.....

Michael Kaczmar
Analysis Engineer- Energy Management Group
Vehicle Synthesis Analysis and Simulation - Passenger Car Division
General Motors Corporation NAO.

How's that for a title huh!!??




From
From: Sean Carr <soupaflie@yahoo>
To: kevin@rahavindesigns, list@gti-vr6
Subject: Re: [gti-vr6] FW: '98 GTI-VR6 3-Piece Pulley Kit (Crank, Alt., & P/S)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 05:11:58 -0800 (PST)
 
Should have asked them if they have tested their
pullies in combination with a light flywheel. From
what I hear this combination is causing CEL lights and
IIRC misfiring at high rpms. I was going to buy a set,
but I already have the Autotech flywheel and don't
feel like dealing with CEL's.

Sean

--- Kevin &lt;&#107;evin&#64;rahavindesigns<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>&gt; wrote:

&gt; 	This from Jean @ unorthodox about their 3-piece
> pulley kit.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jean Pierre
&gt; [mailto:&#106;eanp&#64;unorthodoxracing<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>]
> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 12:27 PM
&gt; To: &#107;evin&#64;rahavindesigns<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>
> Subject: RE: '98 GTI-VR6 3-Piece Pulley Kit (Crank,
> Alt., & P/S)
> 
> 
> No harmonic balancer is required within the OEM rpm
> ranges.
> 
> The stock crank was 6Lb 13oz and our new piece is
> 15.2oz. We do not have
> weights on the other accessory pulleys. However the
> VR6 Ultra SS kit kiis
> good for 12-14hp to the wheels.
> 
> Be sure to upgrade to a good Synthetic Motor oil for
> better performance as
> well...
> 
> Jean
> Sales



From
From: "SDriver" <sdriver@rogers>
To: <list@gti-vr6>
Subject: Re: [gti-vr6] FW: '98 GTI-VR6 3-Piece Pulley Kit (Crank, Alt., & P/S)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 08:59:27 -0500
 
This is true.  The misfires happened to me and a bunch of guys on Vortex.
You won't get them with a stock or mild chip.  Do a search in the 12v forum
for "pulleys and flywheel".  You will see my posts.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sean Carr" &lt;&#115;oupaflie&#64;yahoo<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>&gt;
To: &lt;&#107;evin&#64;rahavindesigns<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>&gt;; &lt;&#108;ist&#64;gti-vr6<img src=/i/dn.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>&gt;
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: [gti-vr6] FW: '98 GTI-VR6 3-Piece Pulley Kit (Crank, Alt., & P/S)

> Should have asked them if they have tested their
> pullies in combination with a light flywheel. From
> what I hear this combination is causing CEL lights and
> IIRC misfiring at high rpms. I was going to buy a set,
> but I already have the Autotech flywheel and don't
> feel like dealing with CEL's.
>
> Sean




From
From: "SDriver" <sdriver@rogers>
To: <list@gti-vr6>
Subject: Re: [gti-vr6] FW: '98 GTI-VR6 3-Piece Pulley Kit (Crank, Alt., & P/S)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 09:03:58 -0500
 
Please don't post the BMW article.  I've seen it before (again, do a search
on Vortex for relevant discussion about it and VW engines) and it has little
to do with the VR6, and all to do with BMW style I6 engines as they have
more problems with crank balancing.  It's a good article but I don't want
people to be mislead.  I don't think the harmonic balancer issue can ever be
really solved with the VR6 - it's a mod you'll just have to try.



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