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I have been trying to wait to release this info but figured it was time to tell
people about the upcoming Eaton Blower kits.

There will be 3 main kits coming out in the next few months. The first one will
be for the 4 cylinder models that Techtonics has the first batch on. The second
and third kit will be for the VR6 and Beetle that New Dimensions will have the
first batch on. Also kits for A2 and A1 4 cylinder models may be done in the
future.

All of these kits are designed and made by Rick Rimmer in Colorado. He has
been around the Eaton units for a while and builds kits for Rovers, Jeeps and a
few others. His web address is http://www.rimmerenginc.com/

We will be offering all the kits as well as taking pre-orders for those who want
to be first on the list. We will take no money and will only add you to a list in
which we will notify you when they are ready.

I know all of you have a thousand questions but I cannot answer many of them
yet as the first kit is still in the final stages and we will have more info like
pictures and dyno info in the coming months.

As for prices the VR6 kit will be $3995 and the 4 cylinder kits will be $2995.
The Eaton blower is one of the best units on the market which is why GM, Ford
and others use them.

Here is another website with blower info on it.
http://www.eaton.com/supercharger/index.html



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All,

Ok, after months of me teasing you with juicy tidbits here and there, it's
here. Tim from ND has posted his announcement on all relevant lists. I now
have consent to stand on my soapbox and tell everything (thanks Tim, I was
wondering if you were ever going public...).

As per Tim's post, he will offer the VR6 Eaton kit built and designed by
Rick Rimmer from Colorado. Rick has done many engines with the Eaton unit,
and has done kits for many OEMs (Chrysler/Jeep/GM/Rover/etc.). His Rover
kit is reviewed in Four-Wheeler magazine, recently. He is currently
involved with OEMs in doing concept cars and many other projects.

The Eaton unit is bulletproof, and is designed to self-lubricate for over
100,000 miles. The kit will utilise the Model 62 (62 c.i.) , and will make
good use of Eaton's vacuum operated by-pass valve. The by-pass valve is
beautiful in function. When off throttle, the valve is open and the engine
operates as normal (blower consumes about 1hp). Stomp the throttle, and the
valve slams shut...hang on for the instant power. NO LAG. High boost levels
are found at low rpms (due to the design of a positive-displacement Roots
type blower like the Eaton). Centrifugal blowers compress the air charge
using inertia. As the impeller spins, it flings air particles outward due
to centrifugal force. This increases the density as rpms increase. Result?
Max boost at max rpms, but....boost is in direct proportion to rpms.
Example: let's say a centrifugal blower makes 8psi at 6800 rpms on the VR6.
At only 3400 rpms, the boost will be 4psi, at 1750 rpms..boost is a dismal
2psi. How does this affect you? A flat bottom end...until about 4k rpm,
then a peaky hang on rush of power. No peaky power band with the Eaton,
just steady hard pull from the start.

No irritating whine. More like a 'whire' sound. The helical swept rotors in
the Eaton reduce excessive noise levels, but it's just loud enough to
remind you (and other stoplight warriors) where the power is coming from.

Rimmer Engineering will be performing mods to the intake manifold to allow
for proper mounting of the blower (it will sit close to the back of the
engine above the exhaust manifold). This will be a core-charge item done on
an exchange basis. This also ensures both OBD I & OBD II are supported.
Brackets will be CNC machined to allow for timely inventory of kit items.
An intercooler is the next stage, but is not included at this time. This
will be designed after initial release of the kit. Boost levels are
currently being tested as I write. Starting from 5-7psi, and possibly
higher. This should gross output between 250-280hp at the crank. We'll see,
it's in testing. The throttle body will be moved about 10" from the stock
position. Side draft air filter will be the intake.

Other options include custom headers included with the kit. As with Rimmer
Engineering's Rover (already approved), and Jeep kits(pending approval),
CARB Exemption is expected. Like Tim said, $3995 for the VR6 kit. Testing
is being done in a GTI currently. Corrado testing will be done by yours
truly, in the near future.

Install time should be about 5-8 hours with average hand tools. I will
install my own kit, and provide ample feedback to ND, and Rimmer
Engineering, and you will benefit from my experience. As things develop,
and more data comes up, I will post it.

Rimmer Engineering is also developing the Beetle SC kit exclusively for ND.

So there you have it. Rimmer builds it, TT distributes the 4-cyl kit, ND
distributes the VR6 kit, and Rimmer is doing a Beetle kit for ND as well.
Rimmer Engineering's web site is posted in Tim's announcement. An article
about the 4-cyl kit will be published In European Car magazine (written by
Mr. Sly of course) in an upcoming issue.

Jason
'93 SLC



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On 6/16/98 8:32AM, in message &lt;&#51;5868FF5.267D71C6&#64;erols<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>&gt;, Judson Main
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> I think this supercharger kit is the best possible option:
> the engine remains bolted together, torque and hp increase at low RPMs, the
> supercharger is mounted behind the engine where there's plenty of space, it's
> gonna be CARB certified, etc.  With an intercooler and headers, etc., one
> should see great hp figures.

I talked to the Potterman today.  He's known about the kit development for several
months.  Everybody involved did an awesome job of keeping a lid on it..

He's VERY impressed with what he's seen.  He's driven a car with the 2.0 kit (which will
be featured in an upcoming article in EC).  He says that a custom chip isn't needed -
the stock chip actually worked fine on the 2.0, once it figured out that it needed to
supply more fuel.  He also said the installation is VERY trick and simple, very
uncomplicated.  Hmm.. very tempting!  I have Ron Wood right here in my backyard to
do the install.... naah!

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Chris asks:

>What if my manifold is polished??do I get a reg. one when I core charge
it?
>Or can I send the dude mine to modify?


Chris,

Well, currently, unless you specify, the kit will come with a modified
stock manifold and a core-charge on it, refunded after you send in your old
stock manifold. So, if you have a polished manifold, I'm sure you can
arrange to have that manifold modified upfront. ND is handling all orders.
I'm sure Tim from ND (or whoever he tasks out the kit ordering to)can work
with Rimmer Engineering to facilite your specific needs.

Jason
'93 SLC



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[...] 4 lines deleted

I e mailed nd to get more info on the charger and this is what they
responded with.

[...] 17 lines deleted
From: "Vinh at ND" &lt;&#118;inh&#64;newdimensions<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>&gt;
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To: ben t &lt;&#105;bnt&#64;erols<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>&gt;
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:43:27 -0700
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> Hi Vihn this is ben from the gti-vr6 group, wondering about a few
> supercharger issues.  First a few group members were wondering about the
> *extras* that a car will need with the addition of the system.  Do we need a
> different oil cooler(other things),ect?
>   The other ? was regarding the pricing and whether ther would be a discount
> if a group purchase was made by club members.  For example if 5-10 of us
> wanted the system could a price break be given?
>
> Thanks for your time
> Ben t

Ben,

We anticipate that when installing the supercharger kit, the motor mounts
will have to be upgraded (the front mount at the very least). The factory
mounts will not be sufficient to handle the increased torque. We also
recommend an oil cooler kit in order to keep the engine temp in a safe
operating range. As far as the clutch, you may be able to run the stock
clutch with the kit. We'll need to do testing with the stock clutch to see if it
will be adeqaute. These are all preliminary anticipations, we will know for
sure once we finalize testing.

As far as special discounts, Tim has posted a message on the list
regarding this. We are offering the kits at a $250 discount if you put down
an $800 deposit. This will only be good for the first 10 orders.

Vinh
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[...] 16 lines deleted

BTW - just took our Passat Supercharger VR6 for a drive and I
must say WOW !!!!!   This sucker pulls big time and NOW, no lag
no waiting. This is with all stock parts ie.. stock exhaust-chip-
exhaust manifold etc.... Our wagon will blow the doors off a
normally aspirated GTI. (and it should). Can't wait to get this in one
of our employees 98 GTI and a new employee's 93 Corrado. LOTS
OF FUN.  Will post picks and dyno test after the Sema show.


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"Bob C." &lt;&#82;ACERBOB&#64;email.msn<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>&gt;writes:
>I'm sold on the Eaton unit. It seems infinitely better than the Vortex.
>Performance at lower revs should be stronger with a positive displacement
>blower. The ND kit pics show developement stages and don't represent the
>finished product. I am a little concerned with the throttle body mounted
>just above the exhaust. Headers will need heatshield and/or
>insulation wrap.

We do not have headers on our Passat. We have found a way to
make the kit without having to change the exhaust manifold. Heat
will be no problem as the factory heatshields stay in place.

> Alternator pulley is looong. Could overstress alt front bearing.

The Eaton unit does not have a high load. This design has been
used on many other eaton based kits with no problems.

>Also is A/C compressor still there? We can't live in FL without
>A/C.

Yes of course. No problem.


PaulT &lt;&#122;one71&#64;teleport<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>&gt; writes:
>Looking at the pics of the kit... doesn't look like there's much
> room for strut tower bar.

I have not even tried it yet. Low priority at this point. It did fit on
James Sly's GLX but he had the header version that is dropped
lower. Will check it out.

Sorry for not pitching in with much info but have been very busy
and do not have much time. Rich has been doing a killer job of
getting the website redone and updated so I will try to feed him all I
can to keep the news coming. No expected dates yet. Shooting for
the end of the year. Too many projects going on here and never
enough hours in a day. I believe one drive in our Passat will make
people happy. Soon. We have a 98 DE and a 93 Corrado to get the
kits on also so it will be quite a selection to pick from.

Funny to hear the talk about companies doing Honda and VW as
well as other makes. We hit this problem years ago and started
selling Honda stuff, we soon discovered it was not our cup of tea
and decided to focus on VW and Audi only. Now if I could just get
rid of these 5" exhaust tips I have left over. LOL. (joking 5" tip
owners)
Back to work tons more E-mail to do. Another 16 hour day.



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> Subject: [gti-vr6] Re: Eaton Supercharger/Vortech
> Date: Friday, November 20, 1998 11:45 AM
>
&gt; &lt;&lt;From: "Russell" &lt;&#103;shock&#64;linkline<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>&gt;
> Subject: [gti-vr6] Eaton Supercharger/Vortech
>
> I wasn't going to comment on this but...
>

> <<  As far as
> longevity, the Vortex V1 used by AMS is only at 65% of its potential.>>
>
> Yes, but practically at the limit for a stock compression VR6 motor.
8.5lbs
> of boost is really up there with a compression ratio of 10:1 to begin
with.
>
> <<I'll be posting my video soon with a more detail anaylsis of Hp
figures,
> driving,
> and long term opinions.  As far as the Eaton being infinitely better than
> Vortex, I wouldn't hold my breathe on that speculation.>>



Seems a good time to add a few things.... 8-9psi *is* the limit for a stock
VR6 motor. With it's static compression pump gas will not tolerate more
boost. The fact that it works as well as it does on pump gas is testament
to the quality of AMS software. They did a very good job with the kit. The
charger itself makes all sorts of strange noise. From idle to high pitched
whining at certain throttle positions at low load. Once you push the happy
pedal, though, things get fun and the sound is   quite nice. The charger
comes with a  3 year warranty if I remember correctly so I seriously doubt
longevity is going to be an issue. OEM more then likely won't use the
Vortech charger because of noise. OEM doesn't use TT exhaust BFG R1's,
Garrett software..... The list goes on so that's a rather moot point. The
Vortech is certainly more efficient and *is* quite reliable. Being more
efficient than Eaton (Roots) it can run more pressure with less parasitic
loss and less heat being transferred into the intake charge. Less chance of
detonation and more power via denser intake charge. The Eaton can be quite
tough to package Rimmer appears to have done a good job, though. What
happens if you need to go to the dealer for a new transmission? Better keep
a spare manifold. As for the actual driveability of the units I haven't
driven a Rimmer/ND kit. I do have around 100 hours behind the wheel of a
Vortech GTI. The car is plain fast. I've wasted everything from an E36 M3
(sure a NA VR6 will do, you bet ;^)) to 911's. Up hill, down hill 1/4 mile.
It is a great package. We build turbo systems and AMS is a competitor so
don't take this lightly. Traction with the Vortech is good when dry. You
can roll onto the throttle hard in the top of second. Almost instantly
you'll find yourself in third. Fourth. Fifth.... 155mph. Oops. I assure you
other than putting around town the lack of added power below 3k is not a
down side. In terms of performance you never come off boost when you are
racing. If power below 3k was increased significantly traction would
definitely become an issue in first and second. Their kit works well! If
you can tolerate some odd noises emanating from the engine compartment
there are no draw backs AFAIC. Sorry for the long winded post. Good luck



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I wasn't going to comment on this but...

I've been recently taking video footage of the AMS Supercharger and let me
tell you, IT IS NOTHING BUT PHENOMENAL!    The installation is very clean
and I assure you, if you ever get a ride in a Vortex Supercharged VR6(270hp
on an all stock motor)- you'll start saving every penny you can!  As far as
longevity, the Vortex V1 used by AMS is only at 65% of its potential. I'll
be posting my video soon with a more detail anaylsis of Hp figures, driving,
and long term opinions.  As far as the Eaton being infinitely better than
Vortex, I wouldn't hold my breathe on that speculation.


Russell
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[I have no affiliation with anyone selling a VR6 supercharger] I've only
been in the AMS car, not an Eaton, so these opinions should be taken
with a grain of salt.

A few things which have been mentioned before, but are important to keep
in mind....

OBD I vs. II: Not sure if it will make a difference with the Eaton kit
ND is developing, but the AMS kit requires conversion to OBD II.  The
situation is even worse if you have a Corrado and/or or a VR6 w/
distributor.  (You're basically S.O.L. for now, the last I heard.)

The AMS kit doesn't affect the intake path after the M.A.F. (ie, easy
return to stock, easy use of Schrick intake manifold). ND's Eaton kit
will require a modification of the TB/Intake area.

AMS kit replaces the factory serpentine belt tensioner (ie, constant
tension, all the time)  Not sure about the ND set-up.  Some folks I've
spoken to were concerned about this aspect.  Not sure I would be, but it
could be an important design difference and I'd research it more
thoroughly.

The Vortech charger may come on a bit later, but I'm not so sure I'd
mind.  I'll admit, I don't have a lot of seat time in modded VR6's,
(I've only got a g-chip, modded airbox) but trying to hook up my car in
any sort of wet weather is an absolute biyatch.  I'm not sure I'd mind
having a stockish VR6 to get me going around town and
shortshifting...then having some serious power come on in the higher
RPM's if I were feeling a little "sporty."

Other considerations: The Vortech will definitely make noise.  Some may
like it, some not.  I LOVED it.  I think AMS should start a 1-900 line,
so even if you can't afford their kit, you can hear it.... ;-)  For
folks on the East Coast, the fact that AWE will be installing and
testing the Eaton (from what I understand) would bode well for
diagnosis, troubleshooting, etc.

Bottom line of MHO....if I had an OBD II car, and I were considering
doing some serious engine mods, I'd likely go for the AMS kit.  If I had
an OBD I car, I'd likely be frightened off by the OBD II conversion and
would head for the Eaton camp.

Luckily, I don't have a ton of cash burning a hole in my wallet.  But if
I did, I'd probably do a 3.1 kit w/ Schrick intake and some sort of
Vortech kit.....and a Quaife. :-)

Jeff
1993 Corrado SLC
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http://www.newdimensions.com/products/page_9.html

I would love comments on the system by those of you with engineering and
automotive background.  How does it look to you so far and what do you
think about permanent changes to your manifold?  Has anyone pre ordered
a system yet?

TIA
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In a message dated 6/26/99 10:20:18 PM EST, &#118;rsex&#64;juno<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15> writes:

<< What ever happened to the much publicized New Dimensions/Rimmer/Eaton (or
 whatever the hell they call it) supercharger kit?  Shouldn't it be
 available by now?  I heard ND sold the R&D car and dropped the program
 altogether, yet they are still advertising it.  What gives?   >>


  Calvin,
While im not sure of the whole story I can tell you this.  I was out in
Colorado Springs a month or so ago and I made my obligatory stop at Rimmer
engineering.  I sensed some bad blood when I brought up ND.  Something about
ND modifying the set up, having problems, then expecting Rimmer to support
them after totally screwing with the system.  Im sure there are 2 sides to
this story and im not claiming to know what is the real situation.  Also a
few months ago Rimmer wouldn't sell the kit, you had to go through ND.  Now
he is more than willing to sell it out of his shop.  You too can have one for
a little over 3 grand, oh yeah it's not really ready yet..hehe.  While Rimmer
has it set up running on an engine stand, they have yet to test it on a real
car for any long period of time.  Thats all I know.

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To clear up any confusion, here is the story from the ND point of
view... Any questions beyond this should be emailed direct to
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from Tim: We have not dropped the project at this time and have
many different things we are working on. Our time frame has now
been pushed to the end of 1999 because we want it to be the best
before we take it to the public. I will not get into the politics of our
relationship with Rimmer or any other vendor.  We are continuing to
work towards having a high quality kit for the VR6 models. I
apologize for the extreme delay on this and take all the blame for it
being held up for so long as well as my promised dates I have told
many people. I would much rather take the flames for not having a
kit out yet than for having a less than quality kit on the market.

We have sold our Super Passat as we felt having a good customer
driving it daily and putting many miles on it was a great test for the
prototype kit.


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I was in ND Friday afternoon.  I asked Ron there about the charger and never
really got a straight answer.  He wouldn't... or rather... couldn't tell me
the HP figure.  He then asked another guy who also said he didn't know
either.  It gave me the impression there was some untold story.  I wonder
what really happened.

BTW, I've been looking at the EIP page.  All the EIP bad rap aside... that
system looks pretty decent.  Those on the list with that system care to
speak up about it? reliability/longevity issues?



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Haven't dropped the kit, yet the car was sold.  What don't add up here?
To little to late pal.  A rumor I heard recently (supposedly James Sly)
is
the kit doesn't make any power!  185 road hp?

Calvin

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from Tim: We have not dropped the project at this time and have
many different things we are working on. Our time frame has now
been pushed to the end of 1999 because we want it to be the best
before we take it to the public. I will not get into the politics of our
relationship with Rimmer or any other vendor.  We are continuing to
work towards having a high quality kit for the VR6 models. I
apologize for the extreme delay on this and take all the blame for it
being held up for so long as well as my promised dates I have told
many people. I would much rather take the flames for not having a
kit out yet than for having a less than quality kit on the market.

We have sold our Stuper Passat as we felt having a good customer
driving it daily and putting many miles on it was a great test for the
prototype kit.


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Hi guys
Been a long time since I have been on here. Well I do have a new
Mk4 GTI but it is only a 4 cylinder. Got that funky orange color.
We are planning to install our new supercharger kit in the next 6
months on it.

Long story as to what happened with the ND/Rimmer kits. Things
did not work out due to lots of reasons. We are no longer
associated with Rimmer in any manner.

Anyway we are working on the 4 cyl. kit first as we have a
complete new design that is in the works. It uses a custom cast
aluminium one piece intake manifold. We hope to offer intercooler
upgrades also. Things are preliminary at this point but I will let the
list know as we progress.

As for the VR6 kit we have not made decisions on which way to go
but hope to have news in the next month about what we will be
offering.

Wanted to let everyone know about this years charity car show
also. We are hoping to have it at a local college and have an
autocross at the same time. I will post more info as soon as we
have a confirmation on the show site. Date is May 21st. Here is
more info on it for now.
http://www.newdimensions.com/ND_current_events.html

Also I have some Mk4 light kits that fit Mk3 and want to blow them
out but wanted to offer it to the list people first. I only have 3 sets
and will sell them for $349 a set.  Also got a bunch of Hagus sport
mirrors in last week for the Mk3. Found these cool emblems from
Germany. Nice VW motorsports ones. Here is a page with a bunch
of them shown. Yes goofy but good for 3.75 hp per gallon. ;-)
http://www.newdimensions.com/emblems.html

Still trying to catch up on the list but good to see the same people
still around. Will post more info on the show and blowers as soon
as I can.

Tim at ND 2000 GTI  (Good to be back edition)


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