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Re: 1995 Power lock switch revisited emerson@eideti Mon, 15 Dec 97 20:52 EST
Console-mounted power lock switch, round #2 Arthur Emerson <emerson@eideti> Fri, 02 Jan 1998 23:32:15 -0500
Re: Console-mounted power lock switch, round #2 Uwe Ross <uwe.ross@pobox> Sat, 03 Jan 1998 10:22:08 -0500
Re: Console-mounted power lock switch, round #2 Uwe Ross <uwe.ross@pobox> Mon, 05 Jan 1998 11:57:42 -0500
Re: Console-mounted power lock switch, round #2 "Arthur Emerson" <emerson@eideti> Mon, 5 Jan 1998 00:23:30 -0500 (EST)
1995 console-mounted lock button, round 3 Arthur Emerson <emerson@eideti> Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:53:31 -0500
Doorlock button "George Achorn" <coolidge@tidalwave> Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:03:55 -0500
Re: Doorlock button aqn@dev.tivoli Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:09:19 -0600 (CST)



From emerson@eideti Mon Dec 15 21:33 CST 1997
From: emerson@eideti
Subject: Re: 1995 Power lock switch revisited
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 97 20:52 EST
 
In a previous article, Marker510 (&#77;arker510&#64;aol<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>) said:
>
> The Bentley suggests that Arthur's idea regarding a polarity inverting switch
> (and mine) should work, but it doesn't.  The Other signals into the Central
> locking pump are a conventional +12V lock and unlock, however the lock signal
> must be pulsed to unlock more than the driver's door (this is, in fact, the
> same wire as out key switch).

After some brave experimentation, I have some additional data.  I think
that you have the wrong wire, and are going to kick yourself when you see
what I found.

Under the dashboard, right behind the hood release lever, you can see the
wiring to the driver's door connector.  There are several single row,
multi-pin connectors snapped onto the back of the big round connector
that mates with the door's connector.  Fortunately, the one that I wanted
was right in front of my nose.  I snipped the second wire from the bottom
on that 5-pin connector (black/red 20 AWG) as close to the plug as possible.
There ain't no going back. :-)

I then proceeded to test the functions of the various locking systems.
The VW keyless remote worked as normal.  Locking the driver's side door
from the key outside locked both doors, One turn of the key unlocked the
driver's door, two unlocked the central locking system.  The alarm armed
and disarmed as it should have in each case, and the LED on the driver's
door blinked when it was supposed to.  Pulling up on the lock button shaft
on the driver's door only opened that door, and pushing it down likewise
did nothing to the central locking system.  Perfect! Everything is working
according to plan!  The follow-me switch in the driver's door was
disabled, and nothing else changed.  Of course, I just realized that I
never checked the passenger's door, but I've never even had a key in that
lock.  (Just a note that you have to close the driver's side door or trip
the door striker before doing these tests, as the mechanical anti-lockout
feature won't let that door lock unless the mechanism thinks the door is
closed.)

After a little wrestling match, I managed to pull enough slack into the
black/red wire to crimp a red butt connector onto it.  From there, I
pulled a pretty piece of black/white wire up to the center console.
Feeling brave, I sat in the driver's seat, closed the door, and grabbed
the bare end of the wire. I tapped it to the ground ring inside the
lighter, er I mean 12 volt accessory outlet...

What do you you think happened?  Zap?  Fire?  Was Arthur locked in the
burning car by a central lock system on the rampage, isolated from his
trusty fire extinguisher in the trunk? :-) No, the central lock pump
engaged and the doors locked!  No fanfare, not even visible sparks!  I
pulled the wire off of ground and peeked over my shoulder to see that the
alarm light was not blinking.  Excellent sign!  The pump stopped running
when the doors locked.  I suspected this was the case, since the switch in
the door appeared to be always connected either to ground or +12V.  The
pump's internal logic had to deal with this.

(This is why the wire must be cut at the door.  If the doors are locked,
the door switch has the wire tied to ground.  If you try to unlock the
doors with your new lock button, and it's just tapped into that wire,
you'll be feeding +12V directly to ground through the in-door switch.
Trust me, this is what we call a dead short in the biz, and the doors
won't open.  I have a set of chrome nail clippers that turned blue from
the arc when I tried this last year.)

Feeling brave (and trapped!), I tapped the wire into the back of the
lighter jack, catching the +12V feed.  Zap?  Fire?  No, the sunroof
opened. :-)  Just kidding!  The doors both unlocked.  Feeling excited, I
immediately ran inside and turned on my computer to bring you this news.

> Ok- what did I do?  Well, I'm doing a high-end alarm right now (I've been
> busy, so my GTi has been apart for about a month) in my 1995 GTi-VR6, and I
> built an astable timer circuit around the 555 IC.

You can still buy those things?  I remember working with NE-555 and 556's
back in 1979!  That would make them almost as old as vacuum tubes. :-)

> What it does is create
> pulses from one pulse.

I'm confused.  Why do you need multiple pulses?  I just tapped the wire
to +12 and ground, and the pump ran.  Talk about the ultimate switch
bounce!  The question is:  Am I nuts, is my VW remote keyless system
massaging the signal to the lock pump, is there a difference between my
1995.5 model and your 1995.x car, or were you using the wrong wire?

> Oh, the stock switch in a 1997 car (where I got mine from the junkyard), is,
> in fact, a polarity reversing switch, with what appears to be a small
> capacitor (the sucker is glued in the shrink tube, so I haven't tried opening
> it up to check out the value- but I guess I can do that on my VOM) in-line on
> the lock side.  I just cut everything off and utilized the switch as a more
> convertional +12V lock and +12V unlock.

I'm going to buy the switch from the dealer before they go on national
backorder thanks to my discovery, :-) unless somebody has one they want to
get rid of.  Once I have one, I'll tell you how to hook up the switch to
the magic wire and make everything work.  In the mean time, I'm going
outside to play with my wire in the lighter jack some more.  [Skip it
Wally..... :-) ]

- -Arthur
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From gti-vr6-owner@dev.tivoli Fri Jan 2 22:37 CST 1998
From: Arthur Emerson <emerson@eideti>
To: gti-vr6@dev.tivoli
Subject: Console-mounted power lock switch, round #2
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 23:32:15 -0500
 
When we last saw Arthur, he was jamming the power lock wire
that he liberated into his 12 volt accessory outlet. Momentarily
grounding the wire made the doors lock, and momentarily applying
+12 volts made the doors unlock.  Well, it's been almost a month
now, and I've heard that jamming your lock wire into your 12
volt accessory outlet too many times can make you go blind. :-)
Here's the next installment: locating the switch.

I went by the dealer's parts department today to price the dash-
mounted lock switch.  I followed a new Passat into their parking
lot.  It looked like it had a dual exhaust, with one strange
feature.  Neither muffler's exhaust tip came out from behind
the lower rear air skirt!  There wasn't even a hole!  I didn't
get a close look, but it looked like the exhaust outlet tips
were bevel-cut even with the base of the skirt.  This shouldn't
be a problem when moving, but I sure do hope that exhaust gas
is heavier than air when you're stuck in traffic! At least Honda
owners won't be tempted to put coffee can tips on a Passat, but
I digress.

My "buddy" at the parts counter wasn't working, so I had to pay
full retail price for the switch - $59.00. :-(  Good thing he
looked it up in the book, since the computer had it listed for
$109!  The part number is: 1HM962125A on the $109 switch, and
the "C" version it was superceded by is $59.  They had two in
stock, which is the first time that they ever had a part that
I wanted on the shelf.  Since I wanted to install it this weekend,
I decided to pay the money rather than order it from the west
coast or deal with the morons that run our local junkyards. If
you're not in a hurry, I would suggest giving "Potterman" a call.

The switch has 5 blade connectors on the back, and looks
like this:

                 =====               =====
                  T2                  58b


                  =====     =====     =====
                    ?        30        31


My trusty multimeter says that I need to wire it up as follows:

     T2  = +12 volts (always hot)
      ?  = Ground
     30  = The magic lock wire (cut from door in previous message)
     58b = Instrument light +
             (Tap from defroster switch gray/blue 20 AWG wire?)
     31  = Instrument light -
             (Tap from defroster switch brown 20 AWG wire?)

The blade connectors on the back of the switch require the
smaller-sized crimp-on connectors, and I only have two of
them in my toolbox.  I guess that I'll be going to Radio Shack
tommorrow for the right connectors, and finishing up the
project.  Following completion, I'll write up the directions
and put them on the web site.  By this time tommorow, I'll
have a working lock switch.....

-Arthur
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From gti-vr6-owner@dev.tivoli Sat Jan 3 09:19 CST 1998
From: Uwe Ross <uwe.ross@pobox>
To: gti-vr6@dev.tivoli
Subject: Re: Console-mounted power lock switch, round #2
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 10:22:08 -0500
Cc: emerson@eideti
Organization: becnet.com
 
> Subject: Console-mounted power lock switch, round #2
&gt; From: Arthur Emerson &lt;&#101;merson&#64;eideti<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>&gt;
> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 23:32:15 -0500
>
> My trusty multimeter says that I need to wire it up as follows:
>
>      T2  = +12 volts (always hot)
>       ?  = Ground
>      30  = The magic lock wire (cut from door in previous message)
>      58b = Instrument light +
>              (Tap from defroster switch gray/blue 20 AWG wire?)
>      31  = Instrument light -
>              (Tap from defroster switch brown 20 AWG wire?)

Huh?  Normally:

30 is the "always hot" circuit
31 is ground

Those have been standard "forever".

Have you looked at the '97 Bentley book?  I know there was talk of the
Bentley book being wrong, but maybe that was an earlier version.  My '97
book shows a switch with 5 connections on it sorof like this:


        To 30 (hot) through Fuse 22 and through
        |   "temporary 220 ohm 1W resistor"
        |
        |         2 (brown wire, assume some kind of ground)
        |        |
        |        |          From instrument lighting dimmer switch
        |        |          |
        |2       |1         |6
   |-----------------------------|
   |    |        |          |    |
   |    |        |          |    |
   |    + <----+ +          X    |
   |           ^            |    |
   |           |            |    |
   |-----------------------------|
               |3           |5
               |            |
               |            10 (some kind of ground, switched?)
               |
               | To Term #4 on Central Locking System Control


Anyway, I think you have 30 and T2 mixed up.

Hope this is of help.

-Uwe-

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From gti-vr6-owner@dev.tivoli Mon Jan 5 10:56 CST 1998
From: Uwe Ross <uwe.ross@pobox>
To: Arthur Emerson <emerson@eideti>
Subject: Re: Console-mounted power lock switch, round #2
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 11:57:42 -0500
Cc: gti-vr6@dev.tivoli
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Ok, I pulled my switch.  The mating connector (p/n 191 927 723) has pin
numbers on it.
Here's what I found (viewed from the back of the switch):

           To +12 (*) (red/wht)
           |
           |               To dimmed instrument light circuit
           |               |   (blue/green)
           2        3      6
          -+---------------+--
         | T2             58b |
         |                    |
         | ?       30      31 |
          -+-------+-------+--
           1       3       5
           |       |       |
           |       |       To Ground (brown)
           |       |
           |       To lock controller (green/brn)
           |
           To Ground (brown)

This appears to be in compelete concurrence with the Bentley manual,
except there's no 220 ohm resistor (I measured 0.1 ohms from pin 2 on
the connector to the hot part of the cigarette lighter).

Bottom line is what you posted earlier:

> [Pin 1]  ?  = Ground
> [Pin 2]  T2  = +12 volts
> [Pin 3]  30  = The magic lock wire
> [Pin 5]  31  = Instrument light -
> [Pin 6]  58b = Instrument light +

would be OK, but the switch would work "backwards"; i.e. the lock/unlock
functions would be reversed from the way the "factory" way.

If it were me, I'd put the 220-ohm 1-watt resistor in; like I said, the
controller may have been revised later so it doesn't need it anymore on
the later cars.

Best,

-Uwe-

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From gti-vr6-owner@dev.tivoli Sun Jan 4 23:31 CST 1998
From: "Arthur Emerson" <emerson@eideti>
To: uwe.ross@pobox
Subject: Re: Console-mounted power lock switch, round #2
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 00:23:30 -0500 (EST)
Cc: gti-vr6@dev.tivoli
Organization: becnet.com
 
In a previous message, Uwe Ross said:
&gt; &gt; From: Arthur Emerson &lt;&#101;merson&#64;eideti<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>&gt;
> >
> > My trusty multimeter says that I need to wire it up as follows:
> >
> >      T2  = +12 volts (always hot)
> >       ?  = Ground
> >      30  = The magic lock wire (cut from door in previous message)
> >      58b = Instrument light +
> >              (Tap from defroster switch gray/blue 20 AWG wire?)
> >      31  = Instrument light -
> >              (Tap from defroster switch brown 20 AWG wire?)
>
> Huh?  Normally:
>
> 30 is the "always hot" circuit
> 31 is ground
>
> Those have been standard "forever".

Yes, but I have seen components where the terminals were not following
the convention.  I guess that this is one of them. :-)  I know that 58b
and 31 are correct, as I can see the LED inside glowing when I put 12V to
them as above.  There is no other connection between 31 and any other pin
in the switch.

> My '97 book shows a switch with 5 connections on it sort of like this:
>
>
>         To 30 (hot) through Fuse 22 and through
>         |   "temporary 220 ohm 1W resistor"
>         |
>         |         2 (brown wire, assume some kind of ground)
>         |        |
>         |        |          From instrument lighting dimmer switch
>         |        |          |
>         |2       |1         |6
>    |-----------------------------|
>    |    |        |          |    |
>    |    |        |          |    |
>    |    + <----+ +          X    |
>    |           ^            |    |
>    |           |            |    |
>    |-----------------------------|
>                |3           |5
>                |            |
>                |            10 (some kind of ground, switched?)
>                |
>                | To Term #4 on Central Locking System Control
>
>
> Anyway, I think you have 30 and T2 mixed up.

My multimeter says it can't work with those two wires swapped.

Using the fuse panel pictures in Bentley to figure out VW's convention for
numbering pins on multi-row connectors, they apparently numbered the
switch connector pins as follows:

                    T2      [NoPin]    58b
                  =====     xxxxx     =====
                   (2)       [4]       (6)


                    ?         30        31
                  =====     =====     =====
                   (1)       (3)       (5)


[Pin 1] > >       ?  = Ground
[Pin 2] > >      T2  = +12 volts (always hot)
[Pin 3] > >      30  = The magic lock wire (cut from door in previous message)
[Pin 5] > >      31  = Instrument light -
        > >              (Tap from defroster switch brown 20 AWG wire?)
[Pin 6] > >      58b = Instrument light +
        > >              (Tap from defroster switch gray/blue 20 AWG wire?)


Comparing this to what your Bentley says, it looks like I got it right.
They mis-labeled the pins on the connector, or perhaps had planned on
using this switch in a different model.  TRW made the switch, so we'll
blame them! :-)

> Hope this is of help.

The 220 ohm resistor note may have just saved my power lock controller.
Thanks!  Are they trying to use the 220 ohm resistor to massage +12V to
TTL-safe levels?  I'm a computer science major, and blanked Ohm's Law and
all of that other EE trivia out of my mind long ago..... :-)

-Arthur
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From gti-vr6-owner@dev.tivoli Sat Jan 10 18:02 CST 1998
From: Arthur Emerson <emerson@eideti>
To: gti-vr6@dev.tivoli
Subject: 1995 console-mounted lock button, round 3
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:53:31 -0500
Organization: becnet.com
 
Peoples,

I am proud to say that I now have a working power lock button in
my car!  If I didn't miss a turn scoping out tomorrow's NE drive,
I would have the directions on the web site now too.  Oh well.
Y'all can wait another day or so.

One question of someone with the factory-installed button.  If
you:

1) sit in the driver's seat with the door closed,
2) push the unlock button on the dash,
3) push down the driver's door lock knob,
4) push the unlock button again,

does the driver's door knob pop up?  It doesn't on my car with the
new button.  Same thing for the passenger's door.  If you want to
unlock the door(s) that was manually locked, you must first
push the button to lock all doors, then unlock.  (The same goes
for locking all doors if one lock knob is pulled up manually.)
A small nuisance, but not a show stopper.

I just want to make sure that this is VW's screwy logic, and not
a design flaw of my switch wiring install plans.....

-Arthur
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From coolidge@tidalwave Mon Jan 26 19:03:55 1998
From: "George Achorn" <coolidge@tidalwave>
Subject: Doorlock button
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:03:55 -0500
Organization: becnet.com
 
Hi all,
	I got the button at Autohaus today for less than $40. Beats the pants off
of the $60+ I was quoted in DC earlier in the week. -G










From aqn@dev.tivoli Mon Jan 26 1998 19:09:19
From: aqn@dev.tivoli
Subject: Re: Doorlock button
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:09:19 -0600 (CST)
 

"George Achorn" &lt;&#99;oolidge&#64;tidalwave<img src=/i/dn.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>&gt; wrote:
>         I got the button at Autohaus today for less than $40. Beats the pants off
> of the $60+ I was quoted in DC earlier in the week. -G

Dave A. wrote:
> Would you happen to have their phone number, website, etc., handy?

  Believe it or not |-), it's:  www.autohaus.com

  The address & phone num (off of that site):

	Route 72 (Manheim Pike)
	at Route 30, Lancaster, PA.
	(717) 299-2801

  The part number (off of Arthur's site):

	"lock switch, VW P/N 1HM 962125 A (Price: $59 at dealer!)
	Part number may be listed as 1HM 962125 C, which allegedly
	replaced the above part and lowered the price from $120."

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