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[gti-vr6] Hood Lifts - proceed with caution Rob Baldwin <rob@CENTRELINK> Thu, 25 Mar 1999 14:44:59 -0800
RE: [gti-vr6] Hood Lifts - proceed with caution Richard Adams <richard.adams@catapultsystems> Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:43:41 -0600
RE: [gti-vr6] Hood Lifts - proceed with caution Josh Tibbs <xjosh@one> Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:03:59 -0500
Re: [gti-vr6] Hood Lifts - proceed with caution U1arunit@aol Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:22:14 EST
Fw: [gti-vr6] Hood Lifts - proceed with caution "Michael Stewart" <stewartmc@gru> Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:31:50 -0500
Re: [gti-vr6] Hood Lifts - proceed with caution "John Dale" <jayd@together> Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:30:31 -0500
[gti-vr6] hood lifts RLichman@aol Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:50:16 EST
Re: [gti-vr6] Hood Lifts - proceed with caution "spurgeon &geri foster" <sg713@gateway> Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:28:46 -0600
Re: [gti-vr6] Hood Lifts - proceed with caution MO MAOberer@aol Fri, 26 Mar 1999 00:52:27 EST
Re: [gti-vr6] Hood Lifts - proceed with caution MO "spurgeon &geri foster" <sg713@gateway> Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:16:53 -0600
RE: [gti-vr6] Hood Lifts - proceed with caution MO Richard Adams <richard.adams@catapultsystems> Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:48:32 -0600



From gti-vr6-owner@cobra.ccsi Thu Mar 25 17:03 CST 1999
From: Rob Baldwin <rob@CENTRELINK>
To: "'GTI-VR6 List'" <gti-vr6@cobra.ccsi>
Subject: [gti-vr6] Hood Lifts - proceed with caution
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 14:44:59 -0800
 
OK, I give up.

I know many of you have done either the PepBoys PowerLifts or Auto Zone
Mighty Lifts "econo" hood lifts mod, but I have to report my results with
this particular mod with words of caution.  Two weekends ago I installed
PepBoys PowerLifts, using instructions found in the archives, with the help
of another experienced VR6 lister, (Holland Phillips).  Aside from being a
bit ham-handed with the socket wrench, I believe that I installed them
exactly according to the instructions.

However, when I was done, I shut the hood and noticed that the hood was
bowed, and the gap on both sides of the hood was pretty big.  At first I
thought I'd somehow knocked the hood out of alignment in the process, but
upon closer examination, I saw that it was that the hood struts were making
contact with the hood at the ball joint installed the fender.  Actually, it
looks like there's no way in heck the hood struts will ever clear the
underside of the hood, there just isn't enough room.  I then went to
AutoZone and the sales clerk was nice enough to actually let me head out to
the parking lot with three different size hood struts (without paying for
them)  Not even the one with the smallest body would clear the hood, and the
bulge in the hood was still pretty noticeable.

I posted about this before, and at least one person replied that he had the
same problem.  But he felt he could live with the bulge in the hood and the
larger gap along the fender.  I'm more concerned with how upon hitting the
hood release lever, the hood would about launch itself into the air.  Not
something I'd want to happen at speed.  I didn't get the hood latch recall,
but it was still a concern for me - so I removed the hood struts.

For those of you with the real Bonrath P-Lifts - Do you get any bowing or
bulging?  From pictures I have seen, the Bonrath P-Lifts have very slender
bodies and attach in a different way than the PepBoys/AutoZone hood struts.
They may be a little pricey, but hopefully they are worth it.  I'd like to
know what you folks who have them think.

Rob Baldwin
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From gti-vr6-owner@cobra.ccsi Thu Mar 25 17:50 CST 1999
From: Richard Adams <richard.adams@catapultsystems>
To: "'Rob Baldwin'" <rob@CENTRELINK>,
Subject: RE: [gti-vr6] Hood Lifts - proceed with caution
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:43:41 -0600
 
how interesting. I have the AutoZone hoodlifts (part #E95212 ) and they
look/work fine on my car.
I followed the directions in the archives as well. Maybe the washers that
you used were too thick?

RAA
'97 GTI VR6
http://silverstone.fortunecity.com/studebaker/201
ICQ 30756292
YPager gti_vr6

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From gti-vr6-owner@cobra.ccsi Thu Mar 25 18:11 CST 1999
From: Josh Tibbs <xjosh@one>
To: Richard Adams <richard.adams@catapultsystems>
Subject: RE: [gti-vr6] Hood Lifts - proceed with caution
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:03:59 -0500
Cc: "'Rob Baldwin'" <rob@CENTRELINK>,
 
Perhaps the Pep-Boys brand OEM of the week changed and the ones Rob got
were larger than the ones anyone else got?

Josh

At 17:43 3/25/99 -0600, Richard Adams wrote:
>
>how interesting. I have the AutoZone hoodlifts (part #E95212 ) and they
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From gti-vr6-owner@cobra.ccsi Thu Mar 25 18:34 CST 1999
From: U1arunit@aol
To: rob@centrelink, gti-vr6@cobra.ccsi
Subject: Re: [gti-vr6] Hood Lifts - proceed with caution
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:22:14 EST
 
In a message dated 3/25/99 5:56:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
&#114;ob&#64;CENTRELINK<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15> writes:

> I know many of you have done either the PepBoys PowerLifts or Auto Zone
>  Mighty Lifts "econo" hood lifts mod, but I have to report my results with
>  this particular mod with words of caution.  Two weekends ago I installed
>  PepBoys PowerLifts, using instructions found in the archives, with the help
>  of another experienced VR6 lister, (Holland Phillips).  Aside from being a
>  bit ham-handed with the socket wrench, I believe that I installed them
>  exactly according to the instructions.

I use the Auto Zone ones without any such incident! E mail me if you need the
CORRECT part number.

>
>  However, when I was done, I shut the hood and noticed that the hood was
>  bowed, and the gap on both sides of the hood was pretty big.  At first I
>  thought I'd somehow knocked the hood out of alignment in the process, but
>  upon closer examination, I saw that it was that the hood struts were making
>  contact with the hood at the ball joint installed the fender.  Actually, it
>  looks like there's no way in heck the hood struts will ever clear the
>  underside of the hood, there just isn't enough room.  I then went to
>  AutoZone and the sales clerk was nice enough to actually let me head out to
>  the parking lot with three different size hood struts (without paying for
>  them)  Not even the one with the smallest body would clear the hood, and
the
>  bulge in the hood was still pretty noticeable.

This is really wierd. Anyone else have this problem with theirs??

>
>  I posted about this before, and at least one person replied that he had the
>  same problem.  But he felt he could live with the bulge in the hood and the
>  larger gap along the fender.  I'm more concerned with how upon hitting the
>  hood release lever, the hood would about launch itself into the air.

It won't LAUNCH into the air! Your car has what's known as a secondary hood
latch to catch the hood when you pull the release lever. Besides at the angle
the hood is in when released, even if you had NO secondary latch the hood
won't FLY up. I have to pull the hood up to the point where the supports 'take
over'.

  Not
>  something I'd want to happen at speed.  I didn't get the hood latch recall,
>  but it was still a concern for me - so I removed the hood struts.

There is a fix to this.

>
>  For those of you with the real Bonrath P-Lifts - Do you get any bowing or
>  bulging?  From pictures I have seen, the Bonrath P-Lifts have very slender
>  bodies and attach in a different way than the PepBoys/AutoZone hood struts.
>  They may be a little pricey, but hopefully they are worth it.  I'd like to
>  know what you folks who have them think.
>

They are overpriced and I think you need to do more research as to why you are
having this problem when I have never met anyone else who has. You must be
doing something wrong. Please e-mail me directly and I will try to help you if
you want.

Mark Herrly
Pittsburgh, PA
7/96 Black GTI VR6
You wanna run it..??
http://members.aol.com/u1arunit/marksgti.htm
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From gti-vr6-owner@cobra.ccsi Thu Mar 25 18:40 CST 1999
From: "Michael Stewart" <stewartmc@gru>
To: <gti-vr6@cobra.ccsi>, <rob@centrelink>
Subject: Fw: [gti-vr6] Hood Lifts - proceed with caution
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:31:50 -0500
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Stewart &lt;&#109;ichael&#64;gru<img src=/i/dn.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>&gt;
To: Rob Baldwin &lt;&#114;ob&#64;CENTRELINK<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>&gt;; 'GTI-VR6 List'
&lt;&#103;ti-vr6&#64;cobra.ccsi<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>&gt;
Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: [gti-vr6] Hood Lifts - proceed with caution


>I helped write the instructions for the AutoZone Lifts in the Archive....
>There is no bowing or gap of which you speak...
>In fact, I have done the Install for 3 friends, all satisfied...maybe it's
>because you had the PepBoys lifts...
>I don't know why the AZ ones looked like they did not fit...Get the Part #
>out of the archives and go back...
>Its been flawless for me for the past 8 months...
>
>Michael
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
&gt;From: Rob Baldwin &lt;&#114;ob&#64;CENTRELINK<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>&gt;
&gt;To: 'GTI-VR6 List' &lt;&#103;ti-vr6&#64;cobra.ccsi<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>&gt;
>Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 6:15 PM
>Subject: [gti-vr6] Hood Lifts - proceed with caution
>
>
>>OK, I give up.
>>
>>I know many of you have done either the PepBoys PowerLifts or Auto Zone
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From gti-vr6-owner@cobra.ccsi Thu Mar 25 18:53 CST 1999
From: "John Dale" <jayd@together>
To: "Rob Baldwin" <rob@CENTRELINK>,
Subject: Re: [gti-vr6] Hood Lifts - proceed with caution
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:30:31 -0500
 
I've got the (duhhh, brain fart, I forget the name) lifts.  They're designed
especially for VW's, and they fit fine.  Another plus is that you can
scratch the letters off with your fingernail.  Maybe that's why I forget the
name.
I got them for $50 from my buddy at ProWerks.  (No longer in existence.)
JD

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Baldwin &lt;&#114;ob&#64;CENTRELINK<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>&gt;
To: 'GTI-VR6 List' &lt;&#103;ti-vr6&#64;cobra.ccsi<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>&gt;
Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 6:25 PM
Subject: [gti-vr6] Hood Lifts - proceed with caution

>OK, I give up.
>
>I know many of you have done either the PepBoys PowerLifts or Auto Zone
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From gti-vr6-owner@cobra.ccsi Thu Mar 25 17:56 CST 1999
From: RLichman@aol
To: gti-vr6@cobra.ccsi
Subject: [gti-vr6] hood lifts
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:50:16 EST
 
okay....I have the econo pep boys install they work perfect! I just followed
the instructions in the library	 ben
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From gti-vr6-owner@cobra.ccsi Thu Mar 25 22:34 CST 1999
From: "spurgeon &geri foster" <sg713@gateway>
To: "Rob Baldwin" <rob@CENTRELINK>,
Subject: Re: [gti-vr6] Hood Lifts - proceed with caution
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:28:46 -0600
 
I don't know what you and I did differently, but my struts from autozone
with the 95211 p/n fit perfectly, and I always let my hood fall the last 8
or so inches.

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From gti-vr6-owner@cobra.ccsi Thu Mar 25 23:59 CST 1999
From: MAOberer@aol
To: U1arunit@aol, gti-vr6@cobra.ccsi
Subject: Re: [gti-vr6] Hood Lifts - proceed with caution MO
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 00:52:27 EST
 
Do you need one or two of the Hood lifts? I don't want bloody noses.  Also, is
the correct autozone part numebr the E95211 or the E95212?  Different people
say different things.

thanks!
Matt
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From gti-vr6-owner@cobra.ccsi Fri Mar 26 08:20 CST 1999
From: "spurgeon &geri foster" <sg713@gateway>
To: <MAOberer@aol>, <>, <gti-vr6@cobra.ccsi>
Subject: Re: [gti-vr6] Hood Lifts - proceed with caution MO
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:16:53 -0600
 
I used two.  No smacking here.  You still have to lift the hood the first 8
or so inches.  Just be aware of the lifts.  I dont know what the "correct"
p/n is , but I used 95211 from Autozone.

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From gti-vr6-owner@cobra.ccsi Fri Mar 26 08:52 CST 1999
From: Richard Adams <richard.adams@catapultsystems>
To: "'MAOberer@aol'" <>, gti-vr6@cobra.ccsi
Subject: RE: [gti-vr6] Hood Lifts - proceed with caution MO
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:48:32 -0600
 
E95212. And yes, you need two.

One question for Rob: which way do you have the struts oriented? The shaft
base (that the hydraulic shaft extends from) needs to be attached to the
fender. The shaft itself attaches to your hood.
see http://silverstone.fortunecity.com/studebaker/201/4.jpg (you can see the
strut on the left side)

RAA
'97 GTI VR6
http://silverstone.fortunecity.com/studebaker/201
ICQ 30756292
YPager gti_vr6

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Subject: Re: [gti-vr6] Hood Lifts - proceed with caution MO


Do you need one or two of the Hood lifts? I don't want bloody noses.  Also,
is
the correct autozone part numebr the E95211 or the E95212?  Different people
say different things.

thanks!
Matt
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